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Colorist/ Post Production Specialist
with 30+ years of production / online / FX / Dailies and Mastering experience.
Instudio or Outcall Freelance: Have dongle will travel.
Member Since:
December 4th 2006
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Quicktime rendering
by Ruben Contreras 13 hours ago
I am having issues with Quicktime DNxHD 444. When i render out my XML and import into Premier, the color doesn't match. I ran a test and rendered uncompressed 10-bit and brought into Premier and it ma
Re: Quicktime rendering
by Joseph Owens 1 hour ago
Ruben Contreras "Can someone shine some light as to why it needs to be set on this setting and not auto or video Differences " Its a scaling issue. 444 in either ProRes or DnXHD appear to get ambiguo
Avid round-trip MXF files out of sync when sent from Resolve to Avid
by Clint Stringfellow 13 hours ago
I have a project that was shot on PMW200, AMA linked into Avid and then consolidated to put the MXF files in the AvidMedia Files folder. After finishing the project, I consolidated it to a new drive a
Re: Avid round-trip MXF files out of sync when sent from Resolve to Avid
by Joseph Owens 1 hour ago
When you consolidated the media, did you actually re-compress the source clips to an intra- format like DNX I usually associate frame slippage with ambiguous time code or Long-GOP codecs. Used to be a
Global Adjust
by Scott Davis 3 days ago
When creating clips to export for offline edit in Avid; I have an interview where the white balance on the camera is wildly off. I would like to make a simple correction prior to export. Is there a wa
Re: Global Adjust
by Joseph Owens 3 days ago
The most brute simple method to apply a correction to an entire timeline at once is to change the "Nodes" mode from "Clip" to "Timeline." jPo "I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to m
Resolve and FCPX
by Mark Davies 1 week ago
Hi guys, I've literally just installed Resolve, but had a burning question. I can see that you can edit in Resolve, but was wondering what you guys are doing. Do you edit in FCPX (or other NLE) or do
Re: Resolve and FCPX
by Joseph Owens 4 days ago
Mark Davies "I can see that you can edit in Resolve, but was wondering what you guys are doing. Do you edit in FCPX (or other NLE) or do you actually do all the work in Resolve now please " It depend
color blindness test
by Garnet Campbell 7 days ago
What color is this dress Some see white and gold , some see black and blue . This is making me doubt any color correction that I have been doing. The correct answer is black and blue... I checked the
Re: color blindness test
by Joseph Owens 4 days ago
Garnet Campbell "I think its of interest because of that fact that you and your client might be looking at your color grade and be seeing two different things." After 40 years of working with color,
Davinci 8 with an external monitor
by Enginn Heima 1 week ago
Hi. I m in a kind of a dilemma. I'm completely new to Davinci Resolve, and I d like to get it to work on a second monitor. My specs are, DaVinci Resolve 8.2.1, MacBook Pro 6,1 (17") running OSX Snow L
Re: Davinci 8 with an external monitor
by Joseph Owens 1 week ago
Enginn Heima "What monitor and which blackmagic hardware I should get without ruining myself " You can't go far wrong making your economic decisions based on the BlackMagic Configuration Guide -- whi
Best codec/container for my short film
by Matthias Noe 2 weeks ago
Hey folks, I'm going to export a short film of mine from Premiere for my colorist, who has never worked with Davinci Resolve before. Therefore he couldn't tell me what the best codec was, that i could
Re: Best codec/container for my short film
by Joseph Owens 2 weeks ago
The OP cross-posted this to another forum and has opted for a dpx workflow... last time I checked, anyway. Seems to be locked into a sequential-file workflow for some reason. jPo "I always pass on fre
Sharing Resolve projects between Windows and Mac
by Joshua Pinos 2 weeks ago
Hi all, We have a couple of resolve suites in our facility running both mac and pc. Sharing projects seems to be a problem because mac mounts our san in Volumes and windows as X:, Y:, Z:, etc... Does
Re: Sharing Resolve projects between Windows and Mac
by Joseph Owens 2 weeks ago
Peter Chamberlain "the other game convention." AutoCorrect *name* convention Otherwise, I can't wait for the multiplayer 3D version. jPo "I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" O
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Kill me please - GPU memory is full or reduce number of correctors
by Graeme Mcmahon 3 weeks ago
Hi, Yes, I have been reading other posts on this, but nothing seems to work for me. OS X ver 10.10.2 Processor 2.9 GHz Intel core i5 Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M 512 MB T
Re: Kill me please - GPU memory is full or reduce number of correctors
by Mike Most 2 weeks ago
"I'm doing it for free" doesn't change the technical requirements. They are what they are and your system doesn't meet them. That's it.
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Davinci Resolve Lite 11 Crashes when I try to import a project, suggestions would be truly appreciated
by Daniel Cab 2 months ago
Hi, I am in the beginning stages of learning DaVinci Resolve and every time I open a project that has been backup up, the program crashes.The program also crashes when I try to add a timeline. I shoul
Re: Davinci Resolve Lite 11 Crashes when I try to import a project, suggestions would be truly appreciated
by Joseph Owens 2 months ago
Should clarify first -- when you state that Daniel Cab "I should also note that even though I have updated the Nvidia driver in my system I still get the CUDA warning at startup. " are you referring t
Mac Pro 2013 configuration back magic DeclkLink HD
by Jose Arce 2 months ago
I have the new macpro with an expansion chassis to my DeckLink HD Extreme 3D (this card was bought in late 2012), I need configure this card to use with my flanders scientific, how can do that.
Re: Mac Pro 2013 configuration back magic DeclkLink HD
by Joseph Owens 2 months ago
If I am reading this correctly, you are attempting to use a PCIe I O interface card (the Decklink) with a newMacPro that does not support PCIe, but seems to be dedicated to being Thunderbolt-only. In
Monitor: Calibrating color with what I have
by Dan Kirklin 2 months ago
Hey! I own a Dell u2713h and X-Rite i1 display pro. I know this is not meant for proper color grading work, but it's better than a random monitor. After reading a lot on the subject and trying numerou
Re: Monitor: Calibrating color with what I have
by Paul Provost 2 months ago
The best way to assure you are monitoring a proper video signal from your color grading software or NLE that is not being color managed by the OS is to output picture from a video I o card like a deck
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Firmware upgraded refurbished Mac Pro 2009 vs Mac Pro 2010
by Gary Taylor 3 months ago
Hi there! So my venerable Mac Pro 2008 finally bit the dust and I am shopping for a replacement. I've decided to wait until the next generation of the nMP so it looks like it will be a older Mac Pro.
Re: Firmware upgraded refurbished Mac Pro 2009 vs Mac Pro 2010
by Joseph Owens 2 months ago
Gary Taylor " a few 12-core 2009 models that have had their firmware upgraded to 5.1. " The hardware OS mix is what will eventually make the 4,1 and 5,1 releases obsolete, which it seems Apple is det
Using Davini to convert 23.976 to 29.97 fps
by Andrew Franklin 3 months ago
Hello, This is my first post with creative cow. Looking forward to the experience with this community. Im looking to use DaVinci resolve to process some footage into Avid MXF files. I'm hoping Resolve
Re: Using Davinci Resolve Lite to convert 23.976 to 29.97 fps
by Joseph Owens 2 months ago
Andrew Franklin "**I know media encoder has a preset for Avid MXF OP1a" I was going to suggest Media Encoder, or even Apple Compressor would do a good job with a batch export. The OP1a MXF format is
Quantifiable evidence
by Walter Soyka 3 months ago
Here's some. Check out Warren Eagles's open survey of colorists, with 400 responses: http: icolorist.com what-are-you-grading-2014-results In response to the question, "What edit system was used to cu
Re: Quantifiable evidence
by Joseph Owens 3 months ago
Andy Field "FCP 7 has been EOL for several years and it's still BBC Washington's primary edit tool (not sure about London end) with no sign of change soon." For me, as a facility owner, if it still d
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Someone give me quaintifiable evidence of FCPX market penetration. Features. Industrials. Commercials. Weddings. Where?
by TImothy Auld 3 months ago
And if everyone puts so much stock in this Focus release then why in the hell is it not on the FCPX action page Tim
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Re: Someone give me quaintifiable evidence of FCPX market penetration. Features. Industrials. Commercials. Weddings. Where?
by Joseph Owens 3 months ago
Jeremy Garchow "I'd be curious to know why scripted dialogue editing is not possible in X" You know, it probably is... inventing workarounds and a third-party plugin business is what this version of
iPad and FCP X
by David Mathis 3 months ago
ust purchased an iPad Air 2 and was wondering what (if any) control surface is available. Thanks!
Re: iPad and FCP X
by Joseph Owens 3 months ago
Bill Davis "modest little Resolve control surface" Messed around with a couple of the iPad offerings -- no tactile feedback, requires that you take your eye 'off the ball', *not the controls* -- the
How to endlessly roundtrip between Premiere and Resolve
by Athanasios Kamaretsos 3 months ago
I have been reading articles that describe a 2 stop roundtrip procedure between Premiere and Resolve 1) edit (premiere) 2) grade (resolve) export 3) finish (Premiere) This is a no way to happen scenar
Re: How to endlessly roundtrip between Premiere and Resolve
by Joseph Owens 3 months ago
Athanasios Kamaretsos "How can you relink the already graded clips from your 1st edit so that you don't start to grade from scratch" Generally, that is what the ColorTrace function is for. jPo "I alw
Da Vinci Understanding Each Cut As A Separate Clip
by Amy Saville 3 months ago
Hi, I am very new at Da Vinci, so please excuse me if I sound a bit dumb. When I imported my clips to Da Vinci, each cut of the same clip was treated as if it were its own clip. So when I applied one
Re: Da Vinci Understanding Each Cut As A Separate Clip
by Joseph Owens 3 months ago
Amy Saville "PLEASE can someone tell me how to tell premiere that several cuts belong to the same clip " This is actually normal behaviour for a round trip. There used to be an operating practice in
Effects Library
by Sergio Lelevier 4 months ago
When I click on Effects Librari the open fx tab is empty. Where are the effects. Using DaVinci 11.1 lite, free version
Re: Effects Library
by Joseph Owens 4 months ago
Yes, you do have to buy them. The only other "effects" that are included with Resolve are the default "Power Grades." jPo "I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.
Article: Blackmagic DaVinci Goes up to 11
by Joseph Owens 6 months ago
DaVinci Resolve Blackmagic DaVinci Goes up to 11 Colorist Joseph Owens has been in the heart of postproduction for over 30 years, and has used one form or another of DaVinci Resolve for a large part
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Re: Article: Blackmagic DaVinci Goes up to 11
by Russ Froze 6 months ago
Really I am very interested in what has happened to Resolve. With BorisFX as plugins and of coarse Fusion I see no reason to pay for a subscription to Avid or Adobe when Resolve lite is free. Perhaps
Think NLE or Camera maters? Watch this
by Andy Field 10 months ago
Bentley commercial. Shot on iphone. Edited on iPad . http: www.cultofmac.com 279385 bentleys-latest-ad-shot-iphone-5s-edited-ipad-air
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Re: Think NLE or Camera maters? Watch this
by Joseph Owens 10 months ago
I thought the point was to achieve a specific look. And it apparently takes a lot of rigging. Now somebody like Bill Maher might observe that it takes a lot of resources to provide the 0.1% with a fas
Blog: #8 Welcome to the Low End
by John Davidson 11 months ago
Hi everyone. It's been over a year since we last made one of these walk through videos. There are many reasons we took so long. The first is that we've been too dang busy. The second is that it's pret
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Re: Blog: #8 Welcome to the Low End
by Joseph Owens 10 months ago
Very nice little home video. Glad it didn't cost too much or was very difficult to do. A. You carnivores disgust me. B. It takes three times as long to explain how to do it as the clip proper C. I did
Laughably OT: Can you ID an old graphics system?
by Jeff Markgraf 11 months ago
I just know there are a bunch of old-timers lurking here who can answer this. I'm trying to remember the name of what could best be described as a 2.5-D graphics system from the early mid 90s. It comb
Re: Laughably OT: Can you ID an old graphics system?
by Joseph Owens 10 months ago
Started out at an RCA-equipped television station. TR-1, TR-4, 2xTR-60, TR70-C (no time code on any of them) -- edited machine-to-machine -- producer punched a "start all" button in the control room,
Theatrical presentation "Unclaimed"
by Joseph Owens 10 months ago
A few years in the making, "Unclaimed" is a feature documentary profiling Tom Faunce, a tireless missionary and Vietnam veteran who has devoted his life to "leaving no one behind". Now playing until M
Bob Zelin wasn't too kind to X
by Bobby Mosca 10 months ago
This is from Bob Zelin's NAB roundup. Too harsh "BOB ON NAB NLEs Ed. note: We asked Bob for his observations on NLEs in a follow-up email. As someone who designs and installs systems for a wide variet
Re: Bob Zelin wasn't too kind to X
by Joseph Owens 10 months ago
Tim Wilson "As a result, I don't see exposure as any less important...but it's no longer THE thing wrt setting up the picture. " I don't know about that. Every sensor, tube, emulsion, whatever has it
Is Resolve the NLE we've always wanted?!
by Greg Lee 10 months ago
There is another Resolve 11 thread, but not quite hewing to this topic. And it needs to be said clearly. Is Resolve the missing NLE ! I just saw this Resolve 11 vid. https: www.youtube.com watch v=OtN
Re: Is Resolve the NLE we've always wanted?!
by Joseph Owens 10 months ago
Bret Williams "I didn't see green screen or a keyer. " It actually does these things in the COLOR timeline page. It will use either imbedded alpha, an external matte (hicon movie) or you can create a
Problem transferring color grades to shorter sequence
by Jocelyn Ford 1 year ago
We are trying to apply color grades from a 77 minute sequence to a shorter fcp sequence with fewer shots (and about four new shots.) The shots in the two sequences have the same name but many of the s
Re: Problem transferring color grades to shorter sequence
by Joseph Owens 10 months ago
Jocelyn Ford " Any advice Do we need to remove the filter first Thanks in advance!" People still using COLOR Apple COLOR won't know anything about the Nattress Standards Conversion, so it is a bit ir
Is Pro-res keeping us Mac Based?
by Brooks Tomlinson 11 months ago
First, I prefer OSX. I edited on DS for 8 years, and now I'm all mac, I'm happier. But lets take personal preferences out of the equation. Where is the Pro-res codec introduced where is it needed for
Re: Is Pro-res keeping us Mac Based?
by Joseph Owens 11 months ago
Ricardo Marty "but can i ingest and work with prores on a win pc or is it just output " Haven't really tried it, but I got 1.87 million hits on Google with "ingest edit ProRes on Windows" as a search
Creative Cow in need of a new forum
by Dustin Parsons 11 months ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but this forum (FCPX Debate) still seems to be the place people congregate to talk about ALL changes happening in the world of post-production whether it pertains to FCPX or no
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Re: Creative Cow in need of a new forum
by Joseph Owens 11 months ago
Tim Wilson " I have a feeling that traffic there will be going up soon." Great. Just what we need. Then can I suggest a "sticky" forum simply entitled "RTFM " jPo "I always pass on free advice -- its
Compositing and tracking
by Jonathan Bigler 11 months ago
Hi all, now that DaVinci Resolve has audio support, and editting features, we started using it as an online tool (put everything together, graded shots, audio and animated graphics). I know it's a col
Re: Compositing and tracking
by Andy Winter 11 months ago
go to the tracking tab, switch to stabilize and track forward. go on the context menu and copy track data. switch to your clip where you wanna have the data, paste track data, change parameters and hi
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Writing back to PDW-U1
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Having no joy. The original MXF opens fine in most software and MacCaptionHD seems to write a new CC-imbedded MXF file with no issues... however, no amount of spending on various transfer, browser, or
Re: Writing back to PDW-U1
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Epilog. Telestream MacCaption patched the code, released as version 6 -- and it all works just fine. jPo "I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.
Looking for Music Video Editing tips.
by Gideon Battis 1 year ago
So i don't have alot of experience editing music videos and I am in fact going to be filming and editing my first music video ever here in the next two weeks. The main vocalist gave me the run down of
Re: Looking for Music Video Editing tips.
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Bill Davis "GET A DEPOSIT up front. As big as you can!" The day has come when I agree with something Bill has written. I would add that most of the time, that deposit will be the last money you see f
Close Captioning and HD Video
by Jason Woodruff 1 year ago
Hello, this is my first post, but I am hoping that I will get a better understanding on what the differences are between standard definition and high definition requirements, when it comes to close ca
Re: Close Captioning and HD Video
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Jason Woodruff "I'm assuming the "MP2" is MPEG2." Probably a good call. I use MacCaption for broadcast programming delivered on tape as well as subtitle caption track file-based products, and it gene
Exporting video with closed captions
by Alan Hunter 1 year ago
We've been delivering a weekly half-hour program in SD with captions since January 2006. In October one of our major networks - Fox Sports has requested we start delivering Program in HD. No problem.
Re: Exporting video with closed captions
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Alan Hunter "but if we try and capture them through our other Decklink-based editor (even through we can view them on another Brighteye 72 convertor with a monitor) the captions are not there when we
How to extract closed captions from DVD
by Per Scaffidi 1 year ago
Hi all, been doing research for the past week and testing out different free programs on mac & PC, but I can't seem to figure out a way to extract a CC track from a DVD a client gave me. Basically I'm
Re: How to extract closed captions from DVD
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Per Argentine "The original DVD authors must have made a script so that the buttons would only play whichever half of the video track you chose." The brute force method. They probably didn't realize
Purchase/Download FCP 7.0.3
by Tim Schwartz 1 year ago
Hi -- I was using FCP 7.0.3 on an old Mac. I don't have the original registration info to download onto new Mac. Is there a way to purchase download the program without buying the Studio suite Thanks
Re: Purchase/Download FCP 7.0.3
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Shane Ross " You'll have to look for it for sale on eBAY or Craigslist. Nearly 3 years gone now..." Looking back on things now.... Apple may have actually done a lot of us a financial favour of some
Trouble importing XDCAM footage into FCP 7
by Jonathann Launer 1 year ago
I am having a terrible time trying to import XDCAM footage shot on a EX3, then dumped to an external drive. I have read other forums on this & downloaded the SXS driver & the XDCAM plugin, but I get n
Re: Trouble importing XDCAM footage into FCP 7
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Jonathann Launer "I am having a terrible time trying to import XDCAM footage" Another option is to spend a few bucks and acquire the Calibrated{Q} MXF Import application. It equips Quicktime to read
File: Fujifilm Board
by Pedro Saboya Burgos 1 year ago
png file a fujifilm board I've received for balancing. http: f1.creativecow.net 6981 fujifilm-board
Re: Fujifilm Board
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Looks like a pretty standard MacBeth Greitag chart on the right, and what Fuji would advertise as equivalent to the Kodak 18% CinemaTools chart. "Chart" is the correct terminology. All three manufactu
exported video is fine on my hard drive, but distorted on YouTube
by Tobin Duby 1 year ago
Hi Creative Cow, For years I've been using "Export QuickTime Movie" and just uploading right to YouTube. But suddenly now when I export from any project, the exported file looks fine in Quicktime or i
Re: exported video is fine on my hard drive, but distorted on YouTube
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
One thing to check out is the Quicktime Inspector, and make sure that what you think you are exporting is actually what format the file wound up being. I often see surprise changes in files that are e
Another ProRes Standard vs. HQ Question
by William Carr 1 year ago
I've read past COW posts and answers, but I still need a little more glimmer of understanding about at what point I should to be working ProRes HQ vs. ProRes standard. The original multitudinous camer
Re: Another ProRes Standard vs. HQ Question
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
William Carr "what you mean by "transparency"." ProRes 4444 supports an alpha channel. It is a much much bigger file, and "enjoys" the distinction of being able to contain either Y'CbCr or RGBA coded
AVID TO FCP Workflow ?
by Emmet Reddy 1 year ago
Hi All i have worked with FCP for a long time and i have had to do a job on avid i managed to get the edit done now i need to grade in apple color. I have used automatic duck to export an aaf and i ca
Re: AVID TO FCP Workflow ?
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Emmet Reddy "is it easy to learn and is the workflow between apps straight forward " If you have been using Apple COLOR, then you are some distance along, and the learning curve won't be too steep. T
Closed Captions for PAL DVB-S and DVB-T
by Rob Dunford 1 year ago
Simple question, does FCP 7 support in any way CC's for UK and EU PAL broadcasts Or is there a Mac software that does the job We deliver MPEG2 files to our broadcaster and the original files from the
Re: Closed Captions for PAL DVB-S and DVB-T
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Peruse the Telestream MacCaption website for more info. Teletext is not the same as EIA 608 708 closed captions. You will have to re-encode your original closed caption files from 29.97 to 25 fps, and
Program that does Zooms and Pans (Keyframe Shortcuts)
by david mayer 1 year ago
I am looking for basic keyframe shortcuts. Either a program that works with Final Cut or instead of Final Cut. I have to put a little bit of motion - in, out, left, right - on 400 photographs. I looke
Re: Program that does Zooms and Pans (Keyframe Shortcuts)
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
There's an auto-Ken-Burns effect in iPhoto... jPo "I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.
Quicktime gamma
by Neil Kidney 1 year ago
Slightly OT, but thought here might be the best place for my question. The gamma issue for quicktime is well documented. To summarise: When I encode on mac or PC, it plays back washed out on PC, but o
Re: Quicktime gamma
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Som apps don't obey Quicktime rules, some default straight to Rec709, others you can set up for whatever colorspace you want to monitor in. This really started being a bigtime issue when Apple COLOR w
I'm getting a "Low Disk Space" error msg from FCP while importing. Reaching out for assistance.
by Laurence Wallace 1 year ago
Final Cut Pro is giving me the following error message when I attempt to log and transfer several clips: "The Volume Macintosh HD is about to run out of disk space. The transfer queue has been paused.
Re: I'm getting a "Low Disk Space" error msg from FCP while importing. Reaching out for assistance.
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Steve Eisen "Never use your system hard drive as your scratch disk" This piece of excellent advice is actually a law and cannot be over-emphasized. One other reason that you may get an error message
Baselight vs Resolve.
by Rick Turners 1 year ago
Panels aside, is there anything creative tool wise that one does and the other doesn't From what I've heard baselight makes sky replacements basic compositing easier, which I see more and more clients
Re: Baselight vs Resolve.
by Juan Salvo 1 year ago
One of the biggest difference is the way people like to work. The layer metaphor vs the node metaphor. The way the timelines work. How shapes are built. How curves are controlled. It's not so much tha
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Leaving & Removing colors
by Russell Yost 1 year ago
I am trying to have an object in a shot be in color, but the rest black & white. The problem I am having is that the object I want in color is very similar to the background wall and skin tone in that
Re: Leaving & Removing colors
by Joseph Owens 1 year ago
Wow, I didn't know anyone used Apple COLOR anymore. Your issue is how to separate image values that are very similar. If you can't get a good enough qualification in Secondaries, then you will have to
Client wants my .drp?
by andrew smith 1 year ago
Hello forum friends, I have an interesting request from a client today after delivering a project I did remotely on my own system they are asking to also have the .drp because they say they might have
Re: Client wants my .drp?
by Mike Most 1 year ago
ProTools sessions are a required deliverable on many, if not most, studio level television productions. Color sessions are not, primarily because there are multiple systems being used and therefore no
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